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MagmaRed · Jul 07, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Discord doesn't bother me too much, as it already has a fairly steep requirement (needing a hex AND condition). However, if it were to be nerfed, I think a Word of Censure style nerf would suit it. If the target is below a certain health level (50%, 33%, etc.) then it has a 20 second recharge.

NoXiFy · Jul 07, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Discord is NOT op. It's actually really bad in PvE imo, compared to other skills you can take. First off, it needs a hex AND a condition to work. That means if theirs more then 1 monk there could be a problem in the group your fighting. And secondly... it's not AoE! AoE = key to PvE.

akio pwns · Jul 07, 2009, 02:50 AM // 02:50

discord was used for spikes in triple necro builds so that it be easy to kill a foe in less then 4 seconds and get energy back and redo. It doesnt need a nerf, Since you have to do two things before spamming. IF it didnt require a hex and condition then i would /agree to nerf it.

Stop your QQ over it, if you think its

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Leet Tankur is right, stop complaining. Discord is ridiculous.
Today 08:29 PM

then your just stupid. Did you read the skill descriptionhe suggested? Blind and under effects of a hex? Tell me what necro skill makes you blind... none. The damdage is even deducted. I can name a few skills that would give more damadge then that, i mean Wastrel's Worry is not even an elite and you can spam it for upto 100 damadge.ROFL you can keep it putting it on since its got a faster recast, and usually ends early because of skill use. Dont QQ over an ELITE which is primarly used on heros.

That scythe idea was NB but too much on relying people to use runes. Just make some skills in mysticism which can be useful. IMAO rangers,assassins and warriors use it better with more defense while putting it out with the scythe then a derv. I dont think a derv can really dish out the damadge with a sword or daggers as a primary warrior or sin can.

Dervs, paragons get a boost. Shadow form gets a small redux, some pvp nerfs, the usual. Been complaining to gaile to do something about dervs for such a long time.

FoxBat · Jul 07, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53

If anything is OP about discord, it's really assassin's promise. WTB "your assassin skills are recharged."

fenix · Jul 07, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by akio pwns

discord was used for spikes in triple necro builds so that it be easy to kill a foe in less then 4 seconds and get energy back and redo. It doesnt need a nerf, Since you have to do two things before spamming. IF it didnt require a hex and condition then i would /agree to nerf it.

Stop your QQ over it, if you think its then your just stupid. Did you read the skill descriptionhe suggested? Blind and under effects of a hex? Tell me what necro skill makes you blind... none. The damdage is even deducted. I can name a few skills that would give more damadge then that, i mean Wastrel's Worry is not even an elite and you can spam it for upto 100 damadge.ROFL you can keep it putting it on since its got a faster recast, and usually ends early because of skill use. Dont QQ over an ELITE which is primarly used on heros.

That scythe idea was NB but too much on relying people to use runes. Just make some skills in mysticism which can be useful. IMAO rangers,assassins and warriors use it better with more defense while putting it out with the scythe then a derv. I dont think a derv can really dish out the damadge with a sword or daggers as a primary warrior or sin can.

Dervs, paragons get a boost. Shadow form gets a small redux, some pvp nerfs, the usual. Been complaining to gaile to do something about dervs for such a long time.

The point of his change wasn't to make Discord bad but usable, it was to destroy it. Which it did. You clearly missed the point.

Reverend Dr · Jul 07, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by fenix

Shadow Form:

25e
3c
60r

Done.

Stance.

Done.

As for Discord, there is a reason it already has been changed a lot for PvP.

Owik Gall · Jul 07, 2009, 03:23 AM // 03:23

I would think that when Anet DOES get to a skill update they might as well target popular solo farming builds. CoF is a famous one because although the monk does need another for healing and such, it overall means one player does all the work and does a great job at that. Evidence for this theory is the recent nerf to keg farming. It used to be quick and efficient, but now it's a prolonged process, making this type of farming not so tempting now. (Although I hear it still works if you're patient.)

CoF run builds aren't the only solo builds exposed, though. I hear Perma Sins are still flourishing. Ranger or other runners still make money from their solo runs, but that has been a long time happening so who knows if Anet will actually do something about that one now.

My point is this: If there's any profitable farming, easy dungeon running, fast quest/mission completing solo builds are out there and discovered, than Anet may point their nerf assault riffle cross hair guns at them. The exception to this is if Anet doesn't consider any of them as exploits or an issue to be dealt with.... yet.

Khazad Guard · Jul 07, 2009, 03:59 AM // 03:59

*Shadow Form (PvE): recharge time increased to 90 seconds, Energy cost increased to 25, duration reduced to 5 seconds.

Shadow Form is a key skill in PvE farming teams that are generally overpowered and which strongly discouraged other builds. The combination of near-invulnerability, speed to clear an area, and increase in the Assassins population invalidated a lot of alternative builds within PvE and has had a negative impact on dwindling PvE creature populations.

We recognize that the changes to this skill will essentially remove it from play. In the future, we may consider whether or not there is an incarnation of this skill that would be viable but balanced. For now, we do not expect it to see serious use.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jul 07, 2009, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

Buffs:
I like the idea about the +Adjacent Foes hit per rank in Myst for dervs mentioned here before

Like someone else also pointed out, maybe add some additional IAS for dervs as well. Make them fun to play with again.

Bug Fixes:
Signet of spirits.

Arkantos · Jul 07, 2009, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Stance.

Done.

As for Discord, there is a reason it already has been changed a lot for PvP.

Or just add this skill is disabled for 90 seconds.

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Assassin's Promise recharge only assassin skills.

Bristlebane · Jul 07, 2009, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Making Shadow Form into a stance would be the worst fix ever:

Dwarven Stability: (24...29 seconds.) Your stances last 55...91% longer. You cannot be knocked-down if you activated this skill while drunk.

upier · Jul 07, 2009, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

I am going with this guy.

ChocoboLIVE · Jul 07, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Lol, someone too much ego. The whole concept PvE need a works to do...

And to Euro peeps. Need always nerf the build I just builded. Sound you guys need more than stupid goverment.

zwei2stein · Jul 07, 2009, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

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If even the PARAGON ... uses the scythes better...

You've got me curious.

Dronte · Jul 07, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Leet Tankur

1. Nerf Discord.

2 second casting time
15 energy
20 second recharge

If target foe is suffering from blind and under the effects of a necromancer hex, that foe suffers 5...70 damage.

Seriosly discord needs the nerf. People are abusing it for PvE.

2. Nerf RoJ (PvP only)

2 second casting time
25 energy
30 second recharge

For 5 seconds, target foe and all foes adjacent to this location take 5...30 holy damage each second if they are not suffering from a condition or hex.

The reason for this, I am SICK AND TIRED, of seeing monks in AB with RoJ and someone snares you with Deep Freeze or cripped, and you take all the damage. First of all take off the burning. Second, make it so you can at least escape it.

3. Make ALL blocking skills stances.

The reason for this, I AM TIRED of rangers and mesmers spamming Distortion or blocking skills. It's so bad now, in pvp, you pretty much need Wild Blow.

1. No point nerfing discord now. And if they buffed rit spirits so much they wont nerf discord.

2. Stop crying about ROJ, its not stronger than SH or anything. If you got deep freezed in SH you also die. Also, Anet and most of pvpers dont care about AB. Go bring an interrupt if you dont wanna die in AoE lol.

3. Thats just no.

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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

Possible Nerf to Assassins Promise?
Maybe Soul Reaping toned down a bit more. No need to touch Discord then.

Remove SF so you can still farm with budger on your other characters? They didnt nerf it because of SF, rather because the farm itself was too fast (+leg survivor).

PS and SoA: I hope you are not being serious here, even if you are thinking only about pve (looks like you do). No problem with these skills at all.

You cant rly tone down Soul Reaping even more, the whole concept of SR is broken.

Kronos Ledaloth · Jul 07, 2009, 10:50 AM // 10:50

PvE:

They said that they're gonna nerf all SC runs: Perma will get a nerf, 600hp will get a nerf? I don't think this a good idea to stop the farm on areas like UW, lots of retard aren't able to play simply builds like permasins, pug runs are still hard to get completed.

PvP:

They'll probably finally kick heroes from here.
They'll probably do nothing else of good.

Bug John · Jul 07, 2009, 11:28 AM // 11:28

seriously, why would anyone want discord nerfed ?

I can understand (although I do not agree) that some people are jealous of the money others make when farming using SC or solo builds, but what about discord, scythes ?

any decent build has to be nerfed just because it is decent ?

stick to your builds and let others play the way they want ><

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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Nerfs:
SF: Removed from skills list.
(With SF gone... Budger un-nerfed? ^^ )

Protective Spirit: Cannot self target.
Shield of Absorption: Cannot self target.

hurray, I finally found someone that fails more than Izzy

90% of GW population is happy with the current state of PvE, but as usual, the remaining 10% is full of loudmouths that never miss a chance to QQ everywhere

what about BUFFS ? does this word belong to your vocabulary anymore ?

there are so many useless skills in this game, and you're still asking for nerfs ?

Anet should keep on what they started last month with spirits and paragons

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jul 07, 2009, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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